@Twineee-MissesShadow-Wizard In some rooms, if Smokey detects that a reported post has been deleted, it'll self-delete its message if it hasn't been 2 minutes yet (at which point self-deletion wouldn't work anymore)
It'll also happen if someone indicates that the report is a false positive within the same timeframe
@cocomac regarding StackApps and Obsolete posts, just keep in mind that finding them naturally is fine, but we shouldn't be hunting for them, per rene's advice (somewhere in StackApps chatroom). cc:@Starship
@M-- yes, you can tag: https://stackapps.com/questions/tagged/obsolete and/or change the title: https://stackapps.com/search?q=title%3Aobsolete . No need to hunt them down but if you are looking at interesting apps/scripts that you verified no longer work, feel free to suggest or make that edit.
@StarshipRemembersShadow This doesn't seem to address any of the points I mentioned and I'm not sure how that's supposed to be a response to what I said.
anyone aware of any existing meta discussion related to / proposing a helpdesk area where everything roombas after some time (Ex. ~1year), content has noindex, there's no rep, no voting, no closure, and rules about scope are relatively less strict?
@StarshipRemembersShadow it feels really weird to be told what policy should be, considering one of my sites has the most overlap and as far as I know we decide on a case by case basis
Also since we are talking about mso and mse and considered cross posting can have value
@JourneymanGeek Admittely, I don't know about SU, and you (being a mod there) would. What I said was based off my experience, on the sites I frequent (which can obviously be different from SU)
@JourneymanGeek I've seen exactly 1 migration to MSE (custom), which was in fact what I was talking about (migrating questions related to the whole network from per-site metas to MSE)
@starball this is the meta crowd, myself probably included, after reading the title of such an FR
In the past, you had people a lot of people respect bring up discussions otherwise beaten to death. Jon Ericson, for example. So people immediately recognized they'll probably have a fresh take on it.
Do we have someone like that left? Maybe the existing CMs, I dunno.
@M-- The letter of the rule is "Generative artificial intelligence (a.k.a. GPT, LLM, generative AI, genAI) tools may not be used to generate content for Meta Stack Exchange." That said... Yeah, what Kevin said. It is almost certainly impossible for me/us to determine with certainty that you generated a title using AI unless you admitted it.
@M.A.R. Sure! Here's a clearer and more polished version of that sentence: "I think it would be totally fine if you came up with a title and then rewrote it based on that."
@M.A.R. There is partly AI. For example, on SO, there's plenty of examples of people who write their question totally by themselves except they have the AI generated an MCVE for them. Part of it is fully them, part is "letting AI steer the ship"
With respect to our policy banning the posting of AI-generated content, the point here is that the specific question was not written by ChatGPT.
There is a difference between having ChatGPT write the question for you, and asking a question (in your own words) about something that ChatGPT generate...
@ElementsInSpace Are you sure? The link doesn't seem to actually be connected to the answer. At best I can tell it's some sort of IMDB-ish site (containing movie data - staff, movie description, details) in Persian.
I mean, it claims it's the source of the answer. But as far as I can tell, it could have been a link to the IMDB page of Oppenheimer. It doesn't seem to contain anything about the dialog. At least, when I translate the site with Google translate, I get a broad picture of what the story is about and what awards it got.
I'm happy to change my feedback but I'm just not sure in what way is it a source for the answer. Because it looked to me to be promoting the site by falsely claiming it's related to the answer.
@starball with the specifications you've provided, you need a couple of pros hooked on answering for a while or it'd turn into a ghost town quickly. If you leave (part of) a site unmoderated, assuming it doesn't turn into Spam Museum, the users themselves come up with unwritten rules about what's allowed and what isn't. And without a basis, those rules tend to be pretty misguided.
@VLAZ it's borderline NAA but I assumed initially that the website is a movie pirating website, promoting which is some sort of unallowed at least, but it's really just IMDB in Farsi, or tries to be. It's talking about Oppenheimer, well, I assume poorly translating content on English sites out there about the movie. It's not selling you anything, and neither is the answer.
The link feels more like "See also". It doesn't feel malicious.
But, well, the answer is deleted and the chances of the 1-repper coming back are slim. So shrug
I found Oppenheimer to be very weirdly structured. It shows these vignettes of the story but they weren't really ordered. And it was hard to track which came before or after which other one. Also, many of the vignettes seemed...forced? Not needed. It was almost as if they were thrown in to just have some character smile and wave to the camera then never show up again.
It didn't help that the latest scenes (the one happening most recently to our time - supposedly the "current day" in terms of the movie) were in black and white which usually signifies "old". But all the older scenes were in colour.
@VLAZ most Nolan movies feel like when you see an interesting question on SE, go read four chapters of a book to answer it, come back enlightened but you're now trying to explain everything you've learned to the OP so the answer is 29990 characters long.
Despite having studied nuclear physics, and having an interest in history, politics, etc., I didn’t understand the Oppenheimer movie at all. I came out of the theatre feeling stupid and bored. The Barbie movie was fun.
It seems like a systematic review. He feels obligated to show this and that aspect of the characters' relationship.
You can't treat it like a piece of art like you would, I dunno, Coens' movies. It's more like an autopsy. You miss one detail, and you could totally miss how the victim was murdered
@ElementsInSpace I mean, same. Although I've not that much background in physics and a small interest in history. I've not watched Barbie yet but I suspect it'd be more interesting.
Having said all that, I did enjoy Oppenheimer, was kinda disappointed with Dunkirk, adore The Dark Knight trilogy and The Prestige, and think his best movie is probably Memento.
I remember the first time seeing Memento. I was maybe a teenager. Woke up and couldn't get back to sleep, so I just turned the TV on. It was one of the late night movies and I caught it maybe 20-30 minutes after it started. Man, was I lost having no clue what was going on.
I worked it out eventually. But was trying to question my sanity for the first maybe 10 minutes.
Once you've gone through the categorization, you realize that, "Oh! The movie is about the Joker corrupting Harvey Dent." And just in case, he gives you the answer near the end too.
If you don't neatly organize everything in your mind, you'll get a headache right about the time the Joker is trying to blow up the police cars carrying Dent.
@KevinB I'm interested to hear more of your thoughts about it, if you're willing to write them up.
@M.A.R. part of the premise of the idea is there are people who just want to help others and don't care much about building a knowledgebase. going back to the old diagram someone made on meta of the 4 groups who hate each other. spam would be of less concern because everything would get deleted eventually, and for the same reason, rules would also be of relatively less concern compared to Q&A
fair. but it would be a place to see what kinds of questions people want to ask, or problems they're facing, and try to design Q&A based off-of, which would be worth rep.
going back on my earlier comment, maybe I've misrepresented the 4 groups diagram, which labels people who answer everything as "rep-whores" meta.stackoverflow.com/a/252077/11107541, when I'm spitballing something that has no rep.
@starball people who want a knowledge base are a very small subset of SE users. People don't want some control over who posts what solely because they're clerics of the god of knowledge hoarding. Anyone who wants to achieve something would welcome the idea of seeing only posts that could contribute to that goal. I'm a good samaritan and want to teach people something I'm good at, but I'll want something in return too.
So even if you go to some obscure gaming forum with none of the evil content supremacists from SE, people have some set of rules about what's allowed and what isn't, because they want to achieve something.
there are users who want to provide a service in exchange for some recognition, and theres users who need that service. and then there's a 3rd group that wants to use the content these two groups produce to make a knowledgebase
but this 3rd group is injecting themselves into the creation process and restricting what the first two are allowed create to only include things that would be a good fit for the knowledge-base, rather than simply elevating the good stuff and letting the rest rot
@KevinB FR: New section on site full of homework screenshot posts that never get Roomba'd, auto-protected or auto-locked, no automatic moderation whatsoever, so that we can send the caretakers there so they'd leave the rest of us alone.
@VLAZ I can read (and mostly understand) Persian, you are correct, that's somewhat promotional, yet related, I guess tp- is better than tpu- in this case
it is far more efficient, as a curator, to shut down a question before it is answered than it is for curators to remove that question later
it takes far less votes to delete a useless poll question when it is -3 and has no answers... than to delete it when it's +60 3 years later full of outdated/no longer relevant but upvoted answers
@KevinB for me, it's an issue when "sit there forgotten" is treated as not harmful, unless that content somehow doesn't surface in the search tools that people tend to use.
@KevinB the pain about improving bad titles for me is that from what I observe, I expect that to be a lot of work at scale, and not trivial on average.
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