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starball
starball
00:01
@JourneymanGeek oh yeah. from that POV, I definitely agree. it's not the best experience for new chat users exploring the list of existing rooms. and I think that experience is really worth considering.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Oh that's fair
starball
starball
at the same time, I also enjoy that rooms have fun names. if I had a room for people to chat with me like a "starball's den", it would probably have "nebula" in it or something.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
That's kinda different tho
starball
starball
@JourneymanGeek how so?
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
@JourneymanGeek I do think you have a point, but kind of curious to see all the "hi" in Javascript, and then ** crickets ** chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/17/javascript Maybe it's not active enough? Seems fairly active at certain times of day.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
00:04
I mean I don't run a 'personal' room (have you seen my room list) but if you're running a room for 'your' user...
@EmmaBee Hi isn't conversaion
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
Oh I know, but I mean I don't see people getting past the "hi" even when the conversation is flowing.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@EmmaBee that's the other part I guess, people take a while to warm up
or they're too polite to butt in
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
@JourneymanGeek just a bunch of humans being humans I suppose :)
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
naturally
I mean, something as simple as someone talking about a current project or posting pictures of their pet on pets regularly helped.
(I'm out of projects for now, sadly :D)
.... nearly
starball
starball
00:48
@EmmaBee well, how long have those people known the room exists? maybe for some, what it takes to want to start engaging in conversation is just lurking more first.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@starball Least to me, lurking is a natural part of a chat user lifecycle
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
01:09
yanno, figuring if I fit, finding a frenemie or two...
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
01:36
@starball Very recent! This is folks who are discovering chat in the last week. More just an interesting observation in what happens when people join chat. I agree about lurking. I am way more lurker than engager, at first. What about you?
 
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starball
starball
02:46
@EmmaBee I don't have the patience or wisdom to lurk consistently.
 
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controlgroup
controlgroup
04:26
Philosophy SE just hit 24,000 existing posts, for whatever that's worth
Nice big round number
in a month or two Worldbuilding will hit 39,000 and in a few weeks Physics will hit 244,000
 
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cocomac
cocomac
05:55
@Spevacus Ok, thanks for letting me know.
 
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Elements In Space
Elements In Space
07:15
@SmokeDetector k
Petəíŕd the Wizard
Petəíŕd the Wizard
07:47
uh-oh
rene
rene
08:04
→ 14 messages moved to Chimney
A-Tech
A-Tech
08:28
anyone good with regex?
Mithical
Mithical
→ 2 messages moved to Room for MSE Tavern Room Owners
Petəíŕd the Wizard
Petəíŕd the Wizard
@A-Tech no, but I have used it sometimes
A-Tech
A-Tech
08:55
@PetəíŕdtheWizard ^(\+[\uD835][\uDC00-\uDFFF]{1,2}.?)?(?([\uD835][\uDC00-\uDFFF]){3})?.?([\uD835][\uDC00-\uDFFF]){3}.?([\uD835][\uDC00-\uDFFF]){4}$ this should catch all spam look alike phone number like +𝟙↹𝟠𝟠𝟘⇄𝟜𝟛𝟝⇄𝟙𝟡𝟘𝟙 (altered)
Petəíŕd the Wizard
Petəíŕd the Wizard
09:25
@A-Tech oh my, sorry, I'm not that experienced :(
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
09:53
→ 31 messages moved to Chimney
rene
rene
10:28
→ 6 messages moved to Chimney
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
11:02
→ 11 messages moved to Chimney
Laurel
Laurel
11:46
@A-Tech that's not a valid regex bc of the ? in (?
Starship
Starship
12:07
@EmmaBee For me, I’ll spend a few days of lots of lurking then jump in
A-Tech
A-Tech
user image
works on regex101 with emacs flavor
Elements In Space
Elements In Space
@PetəíŕdtheWizard : (
42
A: Why not perma-ban instead of suspend an account for 275 years?

animusonSimply put, because we don't have a perma-ban feature that just says "this account is banned forever" with no timeline for when it ends. We never thought we'd actually need something like that, and cases like this are still incredibly rare. At least rare enough that investing time in another type...

 
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Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
13:36
301
Q: Why we don't keep public records of suspensions

Jon EricsonWhenever the topic of a suspended user crops up, there's often confusion about what information moderators ought to share and what they should keep private. Sometimes moderators are just as unsure as other users. This can cause all sorts of unnecessary problems. The immediate effect of a suspensi...

discussion moderation account-suspension privacy
^ I'd like everyone to carefully read and remember that.
Laurel
Laurel
14:26
@A-Tech It looks like the backslashes escaping the parens went missing somewhere (formatting?). That's not the regex you posted in chat
Mithical
Mithical
→ 43 messages moved to Trashcan
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ugh
I am going to be behind on ex-spam cleanups, sorry
mix of not having the scripts on my PCs at my place + every keyboard I have here sucks :D
cocomac
cocomac
@Tinkeringbell I'll drop it as @Mithical got rid of the chat, but I just tried it in a different room, and that indeed works. For some reason I thought you couldn't, but that's neat, thanks.
Unrelated, but anyone know why I can kick myself out of a room? Is that useful for something?
Oh, it says this:
> Really, you want you kick you yourself? I suggest a long walk instead.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
That is good advice
and peak oldschool humour
Mithical
Mithical
@cocomac that's only on mobile, isn't it?
cocomac
cocomac
14:32
Yes...
While I haven't tried it (yet), it also had a button to kick Journeyman Geek and Feeds.
Mithical
Mithical
it was probably easier to add the error message than to prevent the option from appearing
Laurel
Laurel
@A-Tech I'm not looking up the Unicode to check that but note that periods in regex don't match new lines. Considering it's for markdown, .{3} also wouldn't match <invisibletagshenannigans>.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@cocomac there's this documentary about what happens when you kick a dog...
Something called "John Wick"?
Also in theory I'm kickable but please don't. There's a reason I have a alt account that takes all the abuse
cocomac
cocomac
@JourneymanGeek Sorry, I already tried, but I won't again. It just gives an error about not being able to kick mods.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ah lol
wait, here or main?
cocomac
cocomac
14:44
@JourneymanGeek In chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/141239/cocomacs-bot-testing - I'm not an RO here
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ah
Oh main server is fine
I have vaguely godlike powers there (tm)
Petəíŕd the Wizard
Petəíŕd the Wizard
I wonder why could this be downvoted?
user image
(ignore the percentage, it's from some old userscript that I installed and forgot about)
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@PetəíŕdtheWizard I mean, it could be anything from XKCD 1172, to someone feeling it took too long to, someone just wanting to see the world burn
Kevin B
Kevin B
i don't like that it doesn't delete the posts in the list
:shrug:
if i'm deleting a list it's because i want to delete the list,
not because i want to move everything to the default list
it's intuitive that deleting a collection will delete the things in the collection, it's not intuitive that it will move everything in the collection into a different collection
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
15:02
but what if you need the things in the list?
Kevin B
Kevin B
move them, :p
 
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user1271772
user1271772
17:23
user image
A user was removed, so my edit got cancelled?
Jeremy
Jeremy
18:04
just stepping in to say "how dare you"
user image
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
@EmmaBee I expect people to lurk a bit in chat before diving in. Or at least to browse the transcripts to get a feel for the culture & typical conversations. But maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned. ;) I can't blame people for expecting to be able to just dive in & behave like they do in the other social spaces they're familiar with.
@Jeremy A few of us lost points today, due to the deletion of a popular senior member of the community...
@EmmaB In the SO Python room, we had a new visitor who seemed disappointed that clicking the new Chat button brought him to an old-fashioned chat room, not a modern GenAI chatbot.
in Python on Stack Overflow Chat, Mar 28 at 1:43, by user8491363
Hello World. I expected a chat room with an AI but apparently it's some sort of discord channel like chatroom with real humans?
Kevin B
Kevin B
lmao
i mean they aren't wrong
anywhere else, if you click chat, it takes you to an ai chatbot
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
And several of our new visitors remarked that they were surprised that the chat rooms seemed very old-fashioned. A few of us remarked that we like the simple old-fashioned style...
in Python on Stack Overflow Chat, Mar 26 at 13:45, by PM 2Ring
Some of us like the old style. ;) We're happy to work in a text terminal. We like editors that we can explicitly control rather than WYSIWYG systems that force you to surrender control.
user1271772
user1271772
@PM2Ring but what I found interesting was the loss of just 2 points. Maybe it means that I downvoted that person 2 times, but I have not downvoted at all on that site, and don't have the critic badge there. It looks like I lost the 2 points from a successful edit. Is that even possible?
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
@KevinB Indeed. I can't exactly blame them for having that expectation these days.
@user1271772 You lose the 2 points for an edit if the edited post is deleted.
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
18:19
25
A: For "User was removed" event, why are editing reputation points rolled back? It can be sort of unfair?

NSNoobAs Answered by @animuson and I quote: You actually lose reputation for suggested edits where the user removed was the final approver of the edit, because their user ID gets recorded on the "vote" which gives you the reputation. It doesn't revert all reputation you've gained from suggested...

user1271772
user1271772
It looks like I have the critic badge on that site, but no downvotes. I hate when I get the critic badge for having a fat thumb that clicks downvote then changes it to upvote.
So I guess a question they asked on that site, and maybe 3 that they asked on this site, for which I had approved edits, were removed. Or, that user was the final approver of the 4 edits.
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
41
Q: How can I find posts related to lost reputation due to a "user was removed" message?

mdeousToday I noticed that my reputation got truncated by 64 points, and when I looked at my reputation history, I saw a bunch of lines notifying me of points removal along to a "user was removed" message. Each has a slightly different timestamp, ranging from 12:39:04 to 12:39:43. I can't find the q...

support reputation deleted-accounts reputation-history
You can check
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
I use "forced" dark mode on my phone, which can make it very hard to see if I've up or down voted. Sometimes I accidentally vote on stuff while scrolling with my thumb. Mostly, I notice it & fix it straight away, but not always. A couple of months ago, I was revisiting a recent question page and was shocked to see I'd downvoted an answer that I would never have consciously downvoted. Oops. :(
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
5
Q: Is the forced dark mode flag in Chromium-based browsers supported?

Sonic the Anonymous HedgehogChromium-based browsers support a feature flag about:flags/#enable-force-dark to force a dark theme on sites. Over the years this feature has existed, we've gotten many bug reports of things not working right when this flag is used (example; also see reports under the dark-mode tag). It's known t...

support browsers dark-mode
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
It's tricky to support it properly because a browser in forced dark mode responds to media queries as if it's using a light theme. You can test that with the examples on developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/… Also, the various Chromium-based browsers have idiosyncratic ways of implementing the light-dark inversions. — PM 2Ring May 15, 2024 at 4:44
;)
The Samsung Internet forced dark mode is particularly difficult. It does some really bizarre stuff, especially with SVG. Eg, it applies different rules to rectangles drawn with <rect> vs <path>. It's pretty annoying. But I need dark mode, otherwise I get headaches, watery eyes, etc.
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
18:33
@Spevacus Just wondering, will mods accept a "thanks" post for Shadow Wizard and his contributions? Much like travel.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4666/…
I noticed he deleted his network account today.
He was the inspiration behind my current username and an important contributor to the site.
Spevacus
Spevacus
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'm sad to see him go as well. My only concern is that such a post will get into mass speculation about the reasons for his network suspension/his choice to delete his account. I'd really rather not see such a post devolve into that.
I'll wait for others to weigh in with their 2 cents. I'm not saying "No that's not allowed", just trying to be cautious about the potential for drama :/
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
@Spevacus That's true. I also noticed that his personal chat room was hard deleted from this server, i.e., no record in the room list and not even visible to 10k+ users who otherwise have the privilege to see deleted rooms.
nicael
nicael
holy cow why were the votes purged together though, I thought they are usually preserved
cocomac
cocomac
@Spevacus Perhaps yes, but with a moderator note? E.g.,
> Moderator note: While you're welcome to express gratitude and thank Shadow Wizard, please refrain from speculating on the suspension.
Kevin B
Kevin B
meh, people leave every day
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
18:47
@nicael Staff make the final decision on that.
Spevacus
Spevacus
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'll share what I can: Staff were involved and made the decision to suspend Shadow, as well as private that chatroom so that its contents are hidden. It effectively makes that content completely inaccessible now, but I can say it wasn't hard-deleted (as in, this is not really an unprecedented hard-deletion of a chatroom).
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
@Spevacus Oh, it was privatized, not deleted.
cocomac
cocomac
Yep - here's a link - chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/721
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Ah, I was trying to access the transcript page, which simply leads to a 404. It too should lead to a message like "there is a room here, but it's private".
Anyway, as was stated in the now-private chat room, he lost access to his public email account in February, but was still active on Discord at the time. I've messaged him there.
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
@PM2Ring Hmm interesting! I can't tell if they ended up disappointed in the end by the "real humans". Maybe? I guess they stopped talking after that.
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
18:55
@EmmaBee Yeah. They arrived during a time when the room was quiet, and I don't think they ever returned. At least, they didn't respond to my reply.
Back in the day, many Python room regulars were in American time zones. But these days, most of us are in Europe or Australia. So it can be tricky for people who drop in during Americsn business hours.
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
@PM2Ring Yes I have seen a bit of the remarking about chat looking old. They are not wrong! But then also there was one comment (I'd link it but don't know how to search) where they commented that "it looks like old school IRC" and I was like "in a good way or not?", to which they said something like "In a good way, gives me faith in the internet again!" haha. Thought that was nice.
@PM2Ring Ahh that makes sense! Oof, how to handle getting a healthy spread across time zones.
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
@EmmaBee Yes, I saw that too. And I kind of expect coders to appreciate that kind of environment. Although a lot of coders work in a fancy IDE (Integrated Development Environment), with all the latest GUI enhancements, they should know how to work in a text-based environment.
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
On the note of chat looking perhaps a bit retro. It does seem like I keep seeing more examples of companies leaning into retro a bit more. One example, the Mozilla rebrand (I don't have an opinion on it being good or not), but they seem to be mixing modern/retro a bit: blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-brand-next-era-of-tech
More companies are talking about "going back to their roots" so something is in the air
Kevin B
Kevin B
eh
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
@PM2Ring Maybe there is a middle ground? It might also be a tough switch to go from fancy to text-based. Not sure.
@KevinB has an opinion ;)
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
19:03
Besides, if you want to write userscripts or otherwise interact with chat via code, it's generally a lot easier if it's text-based rather than GUI-based.
Kevin B
Kevin B
i don'ts ee what's different with mozilla
a flag logo that doesn't completely look like a flag?
cocomac
cocomac
@EmmaBee I think I found it, is this it?
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, Mar 27 at 11:57, by Alex
@EmmaBee It reminds me irc in a very good way. It gives me hope that maybe internet is not doomed yet :D
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
I just meant more the brand design. Mostly that they are not using material design, which is what most modern software design is often rooted in.
Kevin B
Kevin B
maybe it just hasn't reached mdn yet
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
Lots of people on the network have some coding skills, even outside the IT-oriented sites. Eg, one of the main mods on Physics.SE works as a programmer, not as a physicist, despite having a physics degree. Lots of us write little scripts & stuff for our own use, without bothering to share that code with the general public.
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
19:08
@cocomac That's it! You obviously know the secret to searching :)
I don't use Facebook, but another example of a company at least touting something like "going back to their roots" axios.com/2025/03/27/facebook-friends-tab-social-zuckerberg
Kevin B
Kevin B
i'm curious now where that trend started
cocomac
cocomac
:) Took me a few minutes to find. FWIW, I searched for IRC with the chatserver/database-wide search tool for the each of the three databases (example for chat.SO)
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
@PM2Ring Except me! :D I have zero.
Kevin B
Kevin B
because... in my industry there also has been a sudden shift to "vintage" products
who wrote a ceo targeted paper saying vintage was the future
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
Eg, I have a Python script that helps me create tables. It's not perfect, but it does the job, mostly. But I'd have to put in a lot more work to make it fit for general consumption. ;)
cocomac
cocomac
19:13
@EmmaBee Don't know if it'd be on-topic, but that might be a question one of you could ask on UX SE with the trend tag, similar to What explains the current shift from glossy UIs to matte UIs?.
EmmaBee
EmmaBee
@KevinB See? No idea! I find it really weird and interesting, like "memetic spread" - how does it happen.
@cocomac Good idea. Maybe we'll figure it out here in chat and then I go ask and self answer over there ;)
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
in Mathematics on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:37, by PM 2Ring
Last week, I was refreshing my memory on digital colour & gamma from Charles Poynton's site, http://poynton.ca/ Some of the info is a bit dated, but it's mostly still good. The site still looks pretty much the same as it did 20 years ago. He prides himself on using artisanal HTML
cocomac
cocomac
Thank you, Shadow Wizard by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog on MSE
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
19:35
I'm going to loop in staff on that. For one, it's not entirely uncommon for posts to be deleted because users do not want such references to their past profiles, especially in combination with mentions of suspensions (even if it's just in a "don't speculate about this" note). Without knowing the wishes of the user involved, posting this was VERY unwise.
Mast
Mast
@cocomac What makes them think Shadow deleted their account themselves?
cocomac
cocomac
@Mast Compared to staff doing it? Regardless, I'm not sure why you're asking me... that's a question for @SonictheAnonymousHedgehog . That said, @Spevacus did state, "... his choice to delete his account" in this message.
Kevin B
Kevin B
stack doesn't typically delete accounts unless requested (or spam)
Mast
Mast
@KevinB They got network suspended not too long ago. Who knows.
cocomac
cocomac
@Tinkeringbell Think it's better to delete it in the meantime?
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
19:44
I was using the previous Travel Meta post I linked above as the past case precedent for having such posts be acceptable on network metas as a whole. I also pinged the only mod here in this room at the time, and the only concern they brought up was about drama, which is why I added the note.
cocomac
cocomac
And... it's gone
Spevacus
Spevacus
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog There's more to consider with this case. The travel user was someone who passed away, and had no real moderation action taken against them prior to their departure. In this case, it's a bit different.
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
@Spevacus At the time it was initially posted, the user was still alive. Also, they did have moderation actions taken against them.
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@cocomac Given some private info, yes. I'm for deleting it... With an "if some confirmation comes forward that such a post is appreciated, I fully support undeleting or even a plain repost (for attention)"
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
stroopwafels
Mast
Mast
19:48
@Sonic-missesShadow-Hedgehog Irrelevant.
It's best not to speculate on the situation.
Kevin B
Kevin B
🎂
Mast
Mast
Considering how recent the network-wide suspension is, it's best to let it be for a while.
There's... plenty of things we can't share. It's not good.
The suspension is not for nothing.
Let's leave it at that, ok?
cocomac
cocomac
@Sonic-missesShadow-Hedgehog If your intent is to remove it, you may want the history of said message hidden.
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Sonic-missesShadow-Hedgehog Rene's way as written in the comments is better: please use Contact Us to challenge the deletion if you want to :)
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
@cocomac I know. I've gotten complaints about deleting messages before (because it's not transparent when reading the transcript), so I stub it out with an edit to "delete" it while leaving its history intact for transparency.
Augusto Vasques
Augusto Vasques
19:50
Shadow Wizard has always been nice and helpful to me. I don't know exactly what happened but I saw the network ban. But he's a long-time colleague of many here, who will be missed.
Leave the post there.
Mast
Mast
@Sonic-missesShadow-Hedgehog Honestly, I think that's a good approach.
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Also, if the history is sensitive, mods can purge it.
Mast
Mast
@AugustoVasques Nobody disputes the good he's done. But we don't talk about suspensions. It's best not to focus on the user.
Spevacus
Spevacus
@Sonic-missesShadow-Hedgehog Eh no need IMO. No harm no foul.
Mast
Mast
^^
Augusto Vasques
Augusto Vasques
19:52
ok
cocomac
cocomac
@Mast Ok.
Mind taking my message off the starboard then?
Spevacus
Spevacus
Donezo
cocomac
cocomac
Thanks.
Spevacus
Spevacus
I'll cap this off with what I said elsewhere:
I will say: The situation sucks. I'm sad about the whole thing. I'd appreciate if we recognized that, while we can speculate wildly, we refrain from doing so partially out of respect for Shadow and partially because there's really not much to base speculation off of. Remember Shadow fondly. I'm sure we all thank him for what he's done here as one of our longstanding members.
9
Now... Back to your regularly-scheduled Meta programming.
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
20:08
@Mast After his suspension got exteded to 100 years, he requested SE to delete his account.
Mast
Mast
@TwineeeThePickleWizard According to who?
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
@Mast himself (we have a private chat sorry about the lack of evidence)
Mast
Mast
@TwineeeThePickleWizard If they want to dispute the suspension, they can use the Contact Us button about it instead of requesting deletion.
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
since people say not to speculate and stuff I do not want to talk about this right now
Mast
Mast
It is indeed best not to speculate on it. If they have an issue with the suspension, they can contact the Team about it. There's nothing for us to do about it.
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
20:12
yeah, sadly
Mast
Mast
There's nothing about this situation I like, but that's life sometimes.
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
yeah
so weird without you being a mod here lol
looks like someone did some archival
:10109731 not the time, sd
lol he got scared and removed it
Mast
Mast
@TwineeeThePickleWizard It happens. For some reason my MSE account has been captured 63 times.
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
@Mast hmm lol
lemme see if mine does
prob not
possibly some bot?
Mast
Mast
Anyone above a few thousand k probably has their account captured at least twice.
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
20:18
mine 3!
hello @Mithoron
Mithoron
Mithoron
@TwineeeThePickleWizard :(
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
@Mithoron why art thou sad?
hello @controlgroup
controlgroup
controlgroup
Hello
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
hi
bes sad
Kevin B
Kevin B
hey
cocomac
cocomac
20:31
Hello
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
Twineee The Pickle Wizard
@Sonic-missesShadow-Hedgehog I stole the part of your name since I do too
oops
cocomac
cocomac
@TwineeeThePickleWizard "Justice for @Sha." (link)? I get that folks have more liberty in profiles, but... I'm not sure that's a good idea.
A-Tech
A-Tech
@EmmaBee If you are to give it a makeover, please don't modernize for the sake of modernization.
@cocomac well that escalated quickly
A-Tech
A-Tech
20:56
user image
not sure if related but since the user removal i do not get any notfication for up/downvotes?
rene
rene
there is no net positive score yet for you today.
A-Tech
A-Tech
but shouldnt it show net negative?
cocomac
cocomac
It didn't for me earlier today
Kevin B
Kevin B
you don't normally get notifications of downvotes
Mast
Mast
@A-Tech Should be back to normal tomorrow.
V2Blast
V2Blast
21:05
@EmmaBee I wonder if the folks who just say "hi" and nothing else are waiting for others to reply/respond before they actually say something. But I've also seen the occasional user drop by TRPG General Chat who just says "hi", and then when someone responds, just starts making general small talk without actually having something to talk about.
I think it's more likely that they'll just say "hi" when no one's talking.
@EmmaBee Yeah, I think there's a balance to be struck. Keep things simple, but make some improvements. (Perhaps there could even be a choice between a basic UI and a more modern one, but I'm not sure if SO would want to deal with the overhead/extra work of maintaining 2 different UIs and saving a preference between them.)
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@V2Blast make a bot that responds with nohello.com/2013/01/please-dont-say-just-hello-in-chat.html ;). Kids these days...
cocomac
cocomac
@EmmaBee I don't recall exactly how it works in Stacks, but I've personally been a fan of the option to have both compact and standard UI (e.g., it displays normally, but there's a toggle to increase the information density, such as with Discord). It could still have modern components while not taking away information for folks that value the extra info.
CPlus
CPlus
@cocomac What happened to Shadow Wizard? :(
cocomac
cocomac
@CPlus He got suspended for the next century and requested all his site profiles get deleted. Caused a lot of discussion, including regarding whether or not a "thank you"-type post on MSE was acceptable or not (one was posted, now it's deleted). That said...
1 hour ago, by Spevacus
I will say: The situation sucks. I'm sad about the whole thing. I'd appreciate if we recognized that, while we can speculate wildly, we refrain from doing so partially out of respect for Shadow and partially because there's really not much to base speculation off of. Remember Shadow fondly. I'm sure we all thank him for what he's done here as one of our longstanding members.
CPlus
CPlus
I thought century suspensions were reserved for like spammers and trolls and stuff. Not for users that have contributed to the site like since forever ago.
Kevin B
Kevin B
21:20
negative
certainly not the first user to have made good contributions to be suspended for a very long time
cocomac
cocomac
Hence, speculation. A portion of it was moved into the Trashcan room, as speculation on suspensions is generally frowned upon. Not going to be the one to copy it here, but if a mod thinks it's appropriate, this comment has some reasonable advice.
CPlus
CPlus
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Looks like they did not 'choose to preserve the votes.'
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
22:09
@cocomac It was not a century-long suspension. It was only two weeks.
Spevacus
Spevacus
@Sonic-missesShadow-Hedgehog It was initially a 14 day suspension that changed to a "forever" suspension after a couple days.
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
@Spevacus Ah, I didn't see the later extension.
Anyway, I'm going to wait for him to respond to my Discord message (hopefully he does).
Spevacus
Spevacus
I hope so too.
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Given that it's currently Shabbat in Israel, I'll most likely have to wait a day or two before he'd open and check.
bobble
bobble
23:14
@Spevacus small tag proposal for the day meta.stackexchange.com/questions/141940/…
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Sonic -misses Shadow- Hedgehog
Update: I was just able to reach Shadow on Discord.
Yes, he did get indefinitely suspended network-wide prior to leaving the network. Due to its nature and to protect him, I will not be revealing any details regarding that here.
After the suspension, he requested to leave the network and remove all his accounts.
That's all the info he's given permission for me to give here.
He's also given permission for the "thanks" post to be republished - I asked him to contact a mod on Discord to verify it.

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